June 24, 2024, City Council Meeting

Introduction:

Links to the video recording and the council packet are at the bottom of this post. Please note any errors or omissions in the comments. Anything noted in brackets was inserted by Clarkston Sunshine.

Agenda Item #1, Call to Order (Video time mark 0:00:06):

Sue Wylie said hi everybody, it’s 7 o’clock. I’m calling the meeting to order.

Agenda Item #2, Pledge of Allegiance (Video time mark 0:00:10):

Wylie said everybody will please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance.

(Pledge said.)

Agenda Item #3, Roll Call (Video time mark 0:00:31):

Wylie said okay, on our agenda, we have – (Peg Roth made an unintelligible comment.) Wylie said you want to say it now? Okay, you know what, how about during FYI.

Wylie said on our agenda, number three is the roll call. We don’t have a clerk here today, so Jonathan [Smith, city manager] is operating as our clerk.

Sue Wylie, Gary Casey, Amanda Forte, Mark Lamphier, Ted Quisenberry, Laura Rodgers, and Peg Roth were present.

Wylie said okay, so everybody’s here.

Agenda Item #4, Approval of Agenda (Video time mark 0:01:06):

Wylie said step four, or number four, is approval of the agenda as it’s presented, and we need a motion and a second to approve the agenda.

Motion by Rodgers; second Roth.

Wylie said any discussion.

No discussion.

Motion to approve the agenda passed unanimous voice vote.

Wylie said okay, so the agenda is approved.

Agenda Item #5, Public Comments (Video time mark 0:01:28):

[Though public comments can sometimes irritate the city council, there is value to both the council and the public in hearing them. While they can’t eliminate public comments entirely without violating the Open Meetings Act, your city council has occasionally decided not to acknowledge public comments during a city council meeting unless the person submitting the comments also appears at the meeting (in-person or electronically) to personally read them. In the past, members of the public have been cut off for exceeding the city council’s arbitrary three-minute time limit (it’s arbitrary because no time limits are required by the Open Meetings Act).

If your public comments were submitted to the council but not read, or if you tried to make public comments but your comments were cut short, please email them to clarkstonsunshine@gmail.com and I will include them in my informal meeting summaries either under public comments or under the specific agenda item that you want to speak to.]

Wylie said number five is public comments.

(Wylie read the rules for public comments.)

Wylie said would anybody like to make – Tom Lowry? (Lowry walked up to the podium.) Wylie said and you don’t have to give your address or your name. It’s entirely optional.

Lowry gave his name and address and said I want to resurrect an issue that has come up five years ago. I think we did a study at the library as well. We have at least (unintelligible) collections amongst the village, and our roads are starting to fall apart. I don’t want to be a assessed, but I know within five years we need to replace. I’m doing my own repairs with a cold patch in front of my place. But, I mean, on any given day, there’s garbage out in the road, and then there’s usually two, three, sometimes four different trucks. Now, again, we’ve all heard this before, so it’s not new. Like I said, we’ve talked about it in the past, but nothing’s really come of it. I understand some neighborhoods are taking it upon themselves, and that’s fine. If that’s what I’ve got to do, I’ll approach my neighborhood. But I would like to put out a ballot or get something going to try to reduce the amount of trucks and garbage instead of having garbage out multiple days a week. Just one day a week and try and get less trucks. And I know there’s a lot of incidentals as far as recyclables and this and that. And I talked to one garbage owner, and he says, hey, all the garbage goes right to the same place. They don’t recycle. So, I mean, you’re paying for it, but it’s not being recycled. So that’s besides the point. I just want to get down to fewer trucks on the roads. And I think we could probably reduce our costs, too, you know. A one-stop shop, so to speak. Wylie said thank you.

(To Smith), Wylie said did you hold? I’m only asking Smith. Did you (unintelligible) discuss this? I don’t know how much you remember. Smith said yeah, about this. We talked about it. We were talking with the township about going in with the township. And Jerry Fisher, who was supervisor, after he left, it just kind of fell on the floor. Wylie asked was COVID also part of that? Smith said not really. It was post-COVID, and it was just more of what is the desires of both the township and the city. And it was really very close to 50-50. I think a lot of people agreed that getting the trucks off the road would help our roads, there would be fewer trash cans out, it would be a better price, as we would benefit from bulk pricing, essentially. But a lot of people were just not in favor of it because they would take away a choice that they currently had.

Lowry said well, you’re always going to get push back, no matter what decisions come up. And I’m just trying to look for the better of the community, trying to keep garbage down and our roads in better shape. Smith said Lowry and I talked about it, and I noticed, is there an interest in council, just as kind of a way of getting the sauce to start. Yes or no? (To Tom Ryan, city attorney), Smith said putting a ballot, you tell me. Could we put an item on the November election just to get a vote? Yes, no, thumbs up, thumbs down kind of vote on this so we know whether to proceed.

Ryan said I mean, this is really a management decision. It’s not, I mean, the vote would come relative to financing or something, like a special assessment for refuse collection. But, I mean, you can levy up to three mils for refuse collection without having a vote of the people by state law. So, I mean, I guess it’s up to council how much delegation you want to give. I mean, this is really something that is an executive decision, I think, unless you want to do some kind of ballot proposal. But, I mean, we’re running out of time because it’s almost the end of June, and, you know, we’ve got to have everything in by August, early August, to get on the November ballot. So, I mean, it’s not impossible, but it’s going to be difficult.

Wylie said Roth wanted to say something. Roth said I think three of us were there in the library when we did the count. Do you know whatever happened to all that information, or was it ever, I know Julie [Meridith, director, Clarkston Independence District Library] was going to do something. Smith said Meredith did consolidate it, so I think we have a report. I can dig that out. Roth said it would be interesting to see. Because I told you, on Madison, where I live, we did our own. So, we have our own. We all went to the one company, the – (unintelligible comment from Lowry) – Roth said I think so. It’s somewhere local, but away from Waste Management, because they were just three times as expensive. So, I would think that someone like that if, maybe get a deal. Do you have an association? Lowry said we have a beach association, so we don’t really have an HOA [Home Owners Association], but that doesn’t mean I can’t go door-to-door and talk to people. But, again, before I do that, I want to know what the village is going to do. And we have about 400 homes, and is it possible to split it up? You know, maybe give one company half the homes and another company the other half. I don’t care. I just don’t need three and four different trucks and garbage out two or three days a week. Roth said I agree with you. Because we had five trucks on our little road, Madison, so it’s always garbage trucks.

(To Smith), Roth asked do you know who you were talking with at the township? Smith said it was Jerry Fisher.

Lowry said so, I mean, I don’t have any answers. I just want to know where to go from here. That’s all I’ve got. I want to get some feedback so I can act accordingly. Thank you. Wylie thanked Lowry.

Wylie said did anybody else have a question.

Rodgers said I just have a question. If you put it on the ballot, if we, you know, get our act together and get it on the ballot, how do you – what is that about? Is that like us, the city, paying for it or is it just the allowance of only one to come into the city and everybody still pays for their own? Smith said right. That was the thought. We could do something where we put it on the taxes, so we don’t have to pay, or put it on a sewer bill or something. There is a way to simplify payment. But really, I think, just to get this thing started, is there greater than 50% interest one way or the other? And that would just give you a sense of whatever, that people are behind you. So that was my thought. It was just a very simple proposal on the ballot because an election is coming up here where you just say yes, no. Very simple question. I wasn’t going to get into financing, but I know, I understand your point, Ryan. It’s just, we don’t really have a good, confident number that people are in favor or against. We’ve never had a survey or a poll done of any kind.

Roth said I would have to believe that if you got an estimate from one company and then you showed them the estimate from the second company, you’d probably get a pretty good answer of what people would prefer. Lowry said oh, sure, sure. That’s easy to do in my neighborhood. I don’t feel like I’ve got the opportunity to do that whole village. Roth said yeah, I’m trying to think how you could advertise that. What about the new, Jim Breuck’s daughter’s thing? The web? Wylie said Connecting Clarkston. Roth said I mean, she just called me tonight. I’m going to talk to her tomorrow. Maybe have her pose the question. Rodgers said it would be nice to have that. Roth said yeah, I think I’ll ask her if she can put something up and see if she can get an answer. It would be a good place to do that. Lowry said thank you for your time. Wylie thanked Lowry.

Wylie aside if anybody else have a question?

(To Smith), Quisenberry said you mentioned put this on a ballot and see what the people think. If we put a ballot proposal out there, say overwhelmingly, 70 percent say yes, then are we then obligated to do it and then go through the process and select a vendor or by virtue of the, I guess it would be, by virtue of the majority of the people saying yes, then is it a done deal? Does that settle it all up? Say yes, we’re going to vote for it, then? Smith said well, I think we still have to come back to council for you to vote on it. It would just give you the backup data that you would want to the people buying in on this. That was my only thought. You’d still ultimately approve it, and then the selection of the contractor would probably just be the lowest price, or the services offered, that kind of thing. We can do a summation of that. Other communities have done this. We’re not the first one to do this. There are many other examples that have done this. And the thing I hear over and over and over again is it’s that first six months, that’s kind of hellish. The phone is going to be ringing a lot. We’ll have complaints that they missed me, or my bill is wrong. But overall, what the other townships and municipalities are telling me is that there’s benefit for the end user. The city, I guess, the benefit for the city would be fewer roads on our trucks. Fewer trucks on our roads. So, we’re not breaking down the asphalt.

Roth said so, what’s the nearest community that does that? Do you know? Wylie said she thought it was Orion a few years ago. Chet Pardee said Orion does it. Roth said Orion does it. Pardee said yes. Smith said Orion Township does it. Rochester Hills is kind of a benchmark, but they have a bigger community, probably similar. But Rochester Hills, Orion Township, I’m sure there are others like that. Roth said I’ll call them and ask them. Maybe they have two. I’ll find out.

Wylie said one of the concerns, it’s kind of what Lowry was referring to, split the two different companies where people didn’t want to hurt a local company, like TNR is local and I think Community is the other local company. People didn’t want to hurt them, cut them out completely. I don’t know if there’s any other local companies. Roth said I think TNR is the local company. Yeah, that’s what I have. If they sell it at a different price, they might get over it. Wylie said well, again, but again, they didn’t want, if you’re a community customer or you know the family, you don’t want to cut them out. Some of the discussions I remember from five years ago – Roth agreed – Wylie said I don’t remember, that’s what Lowry said.

Wylie said okay, anything else on garbage collection?

No comments.

Wylie said we’re still on public comments. Anybody else have a public comment?

Wylie recognized Pardee for a comment. (Pardee walked to the podium.)

Pardee said good evening. There’s a bigger audience than usual, and I’ll communicate that my public comments that I provide to city officials, I usually provide them by noon, so I’m not surprising anybody. So that’s how I usually communicate my public comments. Before the meeting

Pardee provided his name and address and continued his comments.

Chet Pardee:

Good evening. Several months ago, Smith requested a performance review. Discussion occurred primarily focused on who would judge his performance. After some back and forth, I believe Smith suggested that Michigan Municipal League be contacted for their input. I raised the question asking how could a performance review be given when there are no agreed upon objectives, established with Smith, and pointing out that such reviews are usually given annually and consider a year’s worth of performance to the agreed upon objectives. Usually, the employee’s objectives are tied directly to the organization’s objectives, and the employee performance to the objectives are usually linked to compensation. I expect that Smith is familiar with similar processes described as annual appraisals, employee performance reviews occurring between supervisors and employees prior to his becoming a city manager. Organizational processes have evolved into a 360-degree review where input is sought from other supervisors who have contact with the employee, not solely the employee supervisor.

I believe that Smith’s objectives or goals include accomplishing capital projects in the annual budget. In the last council meeting, the 2024-25 budget was approved. It includes capital project input from the planning commission, contents from the capital improvement plan. The finance committee worked on the budget for five months, being led by Smith, the city manager and previous city treasurer. I recommend that the capital projects in the just-approved city budget become Smith’s objectives, against which his performance is measured for 2025, 24-25 fiscal year, the fiscal year ahead of us. Wylie said okay, thank you.

Wylie said any comments by anybody. Anybody else have public comments to make?

No additional comments.

Agenda Item #6, FYI (Video time mark 0:15:36):

Wylie said okay, moving on in the agenda to item number six, FYI.

Wylie asked if Roth wanted to start.

Roth said I just wanted to mention that Dennis Ritter, who was our city manager for a while and also was a veteran, and his family have done a tremendous amount of community work, has passed away, and I just wanted to let people know, for anyone who didn’t know, he had a pretty long, last couple, I thought at least five years, he was in an assisted living facility, and I thought he was much older. He was in his late 70s, I believe. But anyway, for anyone who did not know, Dennis Ritter did pass on a few weeks ago. So, we appreciate his service. (Unintelligible conversation between Roth and Smith.) Wylie said I don’t know about that. I mean, I didn’t know him. I knew him by sight. I’m sure Ryan knew him. Roth said his family, they were a lot of Waterford and Sandy is still, I think, a pretty active number of things. (Wylie made an unintelligible comment.)

Item 6a – Clarkston 4th of July Parade (Video time mark 0:16:45)

    • Clarkston 4th of July Parade Flyer (page 3/39 of the council packet)
    • Welcome to Clarkston Fourth of July Parade Website (page 4/39 of the council packet)

Wylie said also for FYI, we’ve got the Clarkston Fourth of July Parade, starts at St. Daniel’s Catholic Church, July 4th at 10 a.m. Businesses, community organizations, individuals, families, and friends are encouraged to participate in the parade as walking units, driving antique vehicles, floats, political entry, musical entry, animal entry. Businesses and political entries have an entry fee. Contact Peg Roth. Nonprofit community organizations, families, individuals, and antique cars are free as long as they are not soliciting something. For more information, contact the Parade Committee at info@clarkstonparade.org, and Peg Roth is rothp@villageofclarkston.org. The parade is approximately 90 minutes long with approximately 100-plus entries.

(To Roth), Wylie said did you have anything else to add on that? Roth said just that this year, for the first time in a number of years, we’ve been able to secure a flyover, which is a very nice thing. Wylie said oh, great. (Unintelligible crosstalk.) Rodgers said at the beginning. Roth said at the beginning. Well, I’m not sure they want to say the exact moment, but we hope it’s somewhere along when the 21-gun salute goes out (unintelligible). We did get one this year for the first time. Bruce Mercado, who was the guy who was in charge of it, did a lot of work. It takes a lot of paperwork, a lot of paperwork. But, I mean, we have not been able to have one since, certainly all during COVID and since then, and a lot of things messed with airtime over the years. Casey said I’m sure so. Roth said pardon me. Casey said I’m sure so. Roth said yeah. Wylie said and what do you call the master of ceremonies? The parade? What do you call the head? Who’s the head of the parade? Is it Katie Bowman? Roth said Katie Bowman is the largest sponsor. The red truck on the picture right there. Yeah, she’s the largest sponsor. We don’t have a master of ceremony or anything like that – Wylie said OK – but the American Legion always starts it off, of course. And then, actually, at the main stage, thanks to Rodgers, she got me in touch with Corbin, who is a special needs young man, and every year on July 4th, he sings the national anthem for his street, all of his neighbors, and his dream has always been to sing at the July 4th parade. So, she got me in touch with Corbin. He came and auditioned for us. He is amazing, and he is so excited. So, we’re hoping we can get him through the 21-gun salute. We’ve got to sort of work with that one. But he’ll be at the main stage. We have another singer from the high school singing at the second stage. So, she’ll be great. Wylie said great, thank you. Roth said he is such a sweetheart.

Item 6b – Tax Bill Stuffer (Video time mark 0:19:22):

    • Upcoming Election News (Page 5/39 of the council packet)

Wylie said also, in FYI, we’ve got a tax bill stuffer, which is included in the packet. It’s about upcoming election news. State primary election is Tuesday, August 6th, 2024. Polls open on Election Day. (To Smith), Wylie said did you want to, I assume you put this all together, or maybe Karen [DeLorge, former clerk] did – Smith said DeLorge put this together. Wylie said of course, you brought it. Smith said just a good summary of what to expect in the upcoming August election. Wylie said we’ve got early voting, absentee voting, voter registration, and I assume if anybody needs to pick up more information, there’s something back there and probably at the front desk.

Wylie said okay. Anybody else have anything in FYI?

No additional discussion.

Item 6c – City Manager’s Report for June 24, 2024 (Video time mark 0:20:06):

*** ADDED TO THE AGENDA DURING THE MEETING ***

[Note: The city manager’s report was not included in the information provided to the public.]

Wylie said okay, we’ve got a sheriff’s report for – did I miss city manager report? Smith said that’s wrong. It’s not on here. Wylie said so, we’ll just, okay, would you, okay, make a motion.

Roth said I’ll make a motion to amend the agenda to include the city manager report. Second Wylie.

Motion to amend the agenda to add the city manager’s report passed by unanimous voice vote.

Wylie said okay, so that’s, we’re amending the agenda to add city manager’s report in at, we’ll call it 6C.

Smith said so, do your paper copies have one? Rodgers said yeah. Wylie said we have that, yeah. That’s where I caught it.

Smith said so, just to go over this very quickly, just a few items. The clerk replacement, we’ll talk about that later in the agenda. So, I won’t go into that now.

Smith said the budget amendments, so Pardee brought up in the last meeting that it would be traditional timing in the last meeting of the fiscal year, which this is, we would bring to you any budget amendments where we had to shift money from one department to another so that no departments were in the red, underwater. I’ve talked with Coté. He says, well, Rana [Emmons, PSLZ, the city’s contract financial auditor] has said what most cities do is they do it at the first meeting of the next month when all the bills, most of the bills have come in. So, it was Rana’s recommendation, just wait until the next meeting. It’s not going to change the end results. Just, we’ll bring that to the next meeting. And in fact, this meeting, this consent agenda report that you have in front of you is not the full year we had anyways. It’s only the first eleven months. So, it makes sense that we wait until June is complete. So, that’s what we’re doing. That will come to the July 8th meeting. Very few adjustments needed, but we’ll bring that to the next meeting.

Smith said we just talked about the tax statement stuff earlier.

Smith said as far as contractors working in the city, just to give you an update, the sidewalk cutting is done. The next step, just so everybody knows, there is a phase two to the sidewalk work. Phase one was cutting. Phase two are those slabs that are not candidates for cutting. There will have to be a full replacement. That’s coming later this summer. It will be done this summer. But it’s a separate contractor, separate phase. So that’s still coming. But the cutting is done.

Smith said and our road re-striping on Buffalo, East Washington, and Miller is done. That was primarily for parking space marking and stop bars.

Smith said but what’s still going on is the cleaning and inspecting of the sewer lines. That’s still ongoing. I get a lot of calls from people saying, can you tell me when they’re going to be in front of my house? So that if there is a backup, they want to know about it. Unfortunately, I don’t have that kind of information. I’ve asked for it. They won’t. They say we do hop around a little bit, depending on what time we have available. So, they’re pretty much done. I’ll say 98% done on the west side of Main Street. Now they’re working on the east side of Main Street. They’ve been over on Washington and Church and Robertson Court. And Clarkston Road. So, they are getting close, but it’s not done just yet.

Smith said and then the last thing, the contractor work, is still the pavers on the Depot park (unintelligible) and landscape fence. Those have not yet been done.

Smith said so, that’s the city manager report. Wylie said any questions for Smith on the city manager’s report.

No questions.

Wylie said anybody out there have questions.

No questions.

Agenda Item #7, Sheriff Report for May 2024 (Video time mark 0:24:21):

    • Monthly Report from Lieutenant Richard Cummins, Substation Commander (page 6/39 of the council packet)

Wylie said okay, let’s move on. So now we can go to Item #7, which is the Sheriff’s report. And I don’t see Sergeant Ashley here, so I think if you have any questions for him, maybe ask Smith. He can pass it on or save it up until next time he’s here.

Smith said I don’t see any alarming (unintelligible). Overall, (unintelligible) calls for services.

Wylie said anybody have questions on the Sheriff’s report or comments?

Roth said no, but I just want to express my sadness that the officer was killed. Wylie said was he at the Rochester Hills substation. Quisenberry said no, he was a special, special auto theft (unintelligible). Wylie said he was a deputy, Oakland County Sheriff’s deputy, who was killed in Detroit while investigating a stolen car sometime over the weekend. Three children. Roth said three children, one on the way. Wylie said three children, one on the way. No matter what, it’s very sad.

Agenda Item #8 – Motion: Acceptance of the Consent Agenda as Presented (Video time mark 0:25:31):

    • 05-28-2024 Minutes (page 7/39 of the council packet)
    • 06-10-2024 Draft Minutes (page 9/39 of the council packet)
    • 06-24-2024 Treasurer’s Report (page 12/39 of the council packet)
    • 06-12-2024 Revenue and Expenditure Report for the Period Ending 05-31-2024 (page 13/39 of the council packet)
    • Carlisle/Wortman, May invoice (page 25/39 of the council packet)

Wylie said okay, we’ll move on to Item #8. It’s a motion. Acceptance of consent agenda as presented, June 24th, 2024. And the consent agenda includes the final minutes from May 28th, the draft minutes from June 10th, the treasurer’s report from June 24th, and these documents are included in our packet.

Wylie said so I will take a motion to accept the consent agenda as it’s presented and then a second. If there’s any discussion after that, we can – (to Quisenberry) are you going to make a motion.

Motion by Quisenberry; second Roth.

Wylie said any discussion.

Roth said yeah, I have two questions. (To Ryan), Roth said is it possible when you’re here, since you’re here at all the meetings, that you can give us an update on any ongoing litigation? I always look through your bill and I didn’t see anything listed, but I also noticed that the HDC [Historic District Commission] has $150 that was taken out of their $3,000, and I wondered if there’s any litigation going on. Ryan said there’s no litigation. Roth said yeah, great. Ryan said there’s no litigation. Roth said okay, thank you.

Wylie said anybody else on council have questions or comments on the consent agenda? (To Roth), Ryan said to answer your question, yes, if there is, I’ll notify everybody. Roth said thank you.

Wylie said anybody else out there have questions or comments on the consent agenda?

No comments.

The motion to accept the consent agenda passed by unanimous voice vote.

Wylie said it is passed.

Agenda Item #9, Unfinished Business (Video time mark 0:27:13):

Item 9a – Resolution: Moratorium on Park Fee Waivers

Wylie said okay, we are on Item #9, Unfinished Business. We have a resolution, moratorium on park fee waivers. And we have a resolution in our packet. I will read it.

(Wylie read the resolution.)

Wylie said and we will have to, if we do this, the resolution will be moved in support and a second.

Motion by Forte; second Casey.

Wylie said so,

Ryan said if I may, Madam Mayor. Wylie said yes, please. Ryan said we talked about this last meeting. So, I just used a 90, I thought 90 days would be appropriate to give the council time to, you know, it’s not overly long. It’s three months. It starts tonight, this meeting, and the second meeting in September is the 24th. So, it could be extended, or it would expire on that day. I just thought 90 days seemed appropriate. If you’d like to make it more, you can do that, but it seemed like three months worked. Wylie said okay.

Wylie said is there some reason why having this fee moratorium could be, I have to identify the wording on here, violate state or federal law? Ryan said well, that’s typically a moratorium language that it says something like that. Just remember I said last week or last meeting that we would have to have an escape valve if necessary during the moratorium so that people could still apply if they felt they could meet the appropriate criteria or not. So that’s why it’s in there. Wylie said okay.

Quisenberry said so, any entity that would have wanted to apply for one, if they don’t apply and they ask for an exemption per se, then that means they just have to pay the fee. Ryan said correct.

Roth said and then what are we going to do with the 90 days? Are we going to put together a (unintelligible). Wylie said I think we would have to have something. Well, by 90 days, we either extend the moratorium or we have something in place. Roth said right. Wylie said we’re either going to continue with charging fees or not charging fees or whatever. Roth said yeah, I just, I mean, we talked about different things, finding out how much the DPW [Department of Public Works] costs for each event or trying to put together some kind of – Rodgers said fee schedule. Wylie and Roth said fee schedule.

Wylie said I kind of thought that that was part of the big holdup, just trying to figure out what it would cost. And I even said this to Smith at the other meeting, with being short at least one staff member, it’s kind of hard right now for him, being clerk and city manager, to try to come up with the fees at this time, you know, by this meeting. Smith said well, we have limited time to benchmark where other cities are. And that will be what I hope to bring to this body, this comparison of where other cities, that have parks, that have fees. Do they have a waiver? Do they have rules for it? I think we may be able to get started. Wylie said of course, if we have fees, we’ve got to be able to demonstrate why those are our fees. If we’re charging $50 an hour for DPW, it has to be justified by what we pay our DPW.

Wylie said anybody else have comments, questions on this. Council?

No comments from council.

Wylie recognized Cara Catallo for a comment.

Catallo said well, I just, you know, can’t help but notice, I know that Roth isn’t a fan of the historical society [Clarkston Community Historical Society whose president and treasurer is the city manager], and that this sort of will take care of that. [Cutting off Roth’s attempt to respond to the allegation], Catallo said I’m still speaking, I’m sorry. But I kind of wish that from an economic development standpoint, that it could be potentially a little bit of a shorter amount of time, because that event, Art in the Village, has happened for more than 50 years. And it brings a lot of people into our community, and to shop at our stores, and dine at our restaurants. And I just feel like the timing feels a little bit like it’s sort of pinpointed to that. And that was my first comment, just to make sure that that’s vocalized, because clearly, we weren’t in that closed session.

Catallo said and then the second thing was, ever since the last meeting, I’m curious how to get the city to sponsor an event, because I know Rodgers said repeatedly that the event in December is city-sponsored. And I didn’t know if there was like a form to fill out to try to encourage the city to sponsor other events that are really beneficial to the community, because along with being a great economic driver, Art in the Village, it also, the money goes back into the community by putting up educational signage, and hosting events, and things like that. And I am biased, because I do some archival work for them, and I did write the book for them, but I, but I did so because it’s such a great organization. So, I just wanted to make sure that that was sort of, it just seems like the moratorium ends roughly when that is over.

Wylie said in fact, we did not discuss any time or date at the end of that. It sounds like Ryan – (interrupting Wylie), Ryan said no, that was my, I didn’t look at any calendar. As I said, as I prefaced my remarks about the 90 days – Catallo said right – (continuing), Ryan said that was all on me. I was just looking at some reasonable time, if it happens to affect some event, I don’t know about that, and it wasn’t in my mind doing anything like that. I just was looking at three months to be a reasonable time, that’s all.

Wylie said I certainly don’t remember any remark about dinging the historical society, I think it’s kind of an unfair – (interrupting Wylie), Catallo said I don’t think, I disagree, because I go to all these meetings, I’ve heard it before, but my other comment would be, if you’re looking into doing some research, Arts and Apples is a great place to do that research. And the Oakland University did a great study about the benefits it is for the community. And they can also tell you how they don’t really charge beyond DPW [Department of Public Works], but so, I just wanted to put, you know, I know that Smith won’t put a plug in, but more than 50 years that activity has been happening in our town, I think the city’s never looked better than it does that weekend. And I just wanted to make sure that it was mentioned. That’s all.

Wylie asked if anybody else had any – Wylie told Quisenberry to go ahead.

Quisenberry said I would say, if we do come up with some language on the moratorium, or at least the moratorium, we come up with some language on renting out the park or something like that. And the meeting on the September 24th comes along. And if that language is then voted on and then agreed upon, any group that is seeking to get a permit after that date could be at that meeting and request for that, correct? Ryan said yeah, I mean, you may have it done in mid-August. This is just the length of time that seemed reasonable. And if you can do it before then and want to put it on the agenda, you can do it then. It’s just something to accommodate. It’s summer. And it just seemed like three months made sense. That’s all. Quisenberry said it does. Uh-huh.

Wylie said I thought I saw, no? I thought somebody else, I thought, indicated they wanted to say something. No? No? Anybody?

Rodgers said I mean, I think we’re all, just in response to Catallo’s statements there, I think we’re all in favor of wonderful things in the park. And I agree that the Art in the Park has been something that everyone in this community, at least I think, like everyone in the community, looks forward to. The businesses profit from it. The park is a fun, festive place. And we all profit in different ways. So, you know, it’s kind of disturbing that this is just legal language. And three months is very reasonable for us to, for anybody to have, and if Smith, I’m sure if you can get it done in a week, you can get it done in a week. But, you know, it really, truly, I don’t think any of us have any desire to get rid of, at least I have not, the Art in the Park. Because I think it’s a staple in our community. And we need to keep it. I’d like to see more things like that in the park now. Thank you.

Wylie said anybody else.

No additional comments.

Wylie said okay, so we have a motion and a second. And we have to do a roll call on this, because it’s a resolution. Ryan said yes. Thank you.

Wylie said all right. Smith’s got to do that.

Ted Quisenberry, Laura Rodgers, Peg Roth, Gary Casey, Amanda Forte, and Mark Lamphier voted yes.

Wylie said so, the resolution is adopted. And okay, I guess that’s all I have to do with it. Ryan said correct.

Item 9b – Resolution: Proposal for Monthly Permit Parking (Video time mark 0:39:14):

Wylie said we next have 9b. It’s a resolution proposal for monthly permit parking. And once again, we have this resolution in our packet. I will read it.

Wylie said we talked about this at our last meeting.

(Wylie read the resolution.)

So, before we have any discussion, I would need somebody to resolve and second this resolution.

Resolution by Forte; second Rodgers.

Wylie said so, now on council, we can discuss this. We talked about it at the last meeting. And I think most or all of everybody on council has agreed that it was a good way to help out some people. And it was going to be open to anybody who wanted to apply for a permit. And it seemed like it was manageable from the staff point of view.

Smith said and I answered Quisenberry’s question, will this reduce our income? And no, I don’t think it’s going to reduce our income at all. I think it may increase our income if people take advantage of it. The question would just be how many people will take advantage of it. If we find that, say, 69 days from now, nobody’s taking advantage of it, then I say maybe we should reduce it a little bit more. Reduce the monthly cost a little bit more. You think of it, $60 a month, you’d have to at least be parking there 61 hours a month to make it worth your while. And I just don’t know that there’s that many people that are parked out there.

Rodgers said and it’s not a parking space, right? Smith said it’s not a parking space. The very key point is that we are not guaranteeing, because you pay the $60, does not guarantee you a space. So, you come here on a Friday night, and there’s a concert going on. You say I paid for a permit. Where’s my space? I don’t see it here. That’s not what we’re guaranteeing. And we’ll put a big disclaimer on when we get the form ready for people to sign up. We’ll have to make it very clear that it is not guaranteeing you a parking space. So, I think that’s, we’ll just have to evaluate. I don’t think there’s going to be a huge rush at the door wanting to sign up for this. But we might get a few people.

Wylie said any other questions or comments from council.

No comments.

Wylie said anybody out there have questions or comments about this resolution.

No comments.

Wylie said okay, let’s do a vote. (To Smith), Wylie said you have to do a roll call again. Smith said okay.

Gary Casey, Amanda Forte, Mark Lamphier, Sue Wylie, Laura Rodgers, Peg Roth, and Ted Quisenberry voted yes.

Wylie said okay, the resolution is adopted.

Agenda Item #10, New Business (Video time mark 0:43:24):

Wylie said thank you. And next on our agenda is new business, Item #10.

Item 10a – Motion: Planning Commission, ZBA [Zoning Board of Appeals], and HDC [Historic District Commission] membership renewals or replacements (Video time mark 0:43:28):

    • Motion – Planning Commission Zoning Board of Appeals, and Historic District Commission Appointments (page 29/39 of the council packet)

Wylie said we have 10A, a motion, Planning Commission, ZBA [Zoning Board of Appeals], and HDC [Historic District Commission] membership renewals or replacements. And everything’s on here together.

Wylie said for Planning Commission, and there was a typo on here that I know Smith tried to fix and he couldn’t fix it. Under Planning Commission nominations, we’ve got to renew Derek Werner or appoint somebody else through June 2027. It’s supposed to say renew Amanda Forte or appoint somebody else through June 2027.

Wylie said do we want to take care of all these together or do each different commission or committee at a time? Commission or board? We can just, let me get a preference.

Quisenberry said together. Wylie said together. It seems like it’s all going to be just the person continuing.

Wylie said for the Zoning Board of Appeals nominations, we renew Jennifer Cotter or appoint through June 2027, renew Sharon Catallo through June 2027, renew Scott Meyland through June 2027.

Wylie said for the Historic District Commission nominations, renew Dr. Michael Moon through June 2027, renew Lisa Paterscak through June 2027.

Wylie said and I know two of the people are, well, three really. Three people are here tonight.

(To Forte), Wylie said do you want to say anything? Forte said no.

Wylie said Dr. Moon is here and I think Paterscak’s here. Either of you want to say – Moon, you’re up. You’re alphabetically first. Did you want to make any comments or say anything? You sent us all a letter.

Moon said yes, you have the letter there. I think I’ve shown a commitment to historic preservation, and I would like to continue to do that at least for the next three years. We’re, I think we’ve done a number of things to make the HDC more applicant-friendly in the last four or five years and we’re working on more things to do while still sticking to the National Park Service Standards for Rehabilitation. Wylie said thank you.

(To Patercsak), Wylie said did you want to speak? Paterczak said no, I would be happy to continue serving on the HDC. Wylie said okay, thank you.

Wylie said okay, so I need a, anybody else have – Roth said has anybody put in their name for any of this? Wylie said no. (Unintelligible whispering at council table.)

Wylie said okay, so I need a motion to appoint. All these people will be continuing. I need a motion and a second.

Motion by Quisenberry; second Lamphier.

Wylie said any discussion from council.

Quisenberry said just as a comment as somebody that’s had some experience with the HDC, I was extremely pleased with every time I went in front of them and the reaction and their input and what their job mission is, and I think they’ve done an excellent job. All the people that are on this. Moon said thank you.

Wylie said anybody else on council have comments or questions. I just – (to Forte) oh, I’m sorry. Forte said I just want to say as someone who’s on the Planning Commission, Werner’s a career appointment and he does, like, everything for the Planning Commission. Wylie said he works very hard. Forte said I just want to say how much we appreciate that, like, at least I do, because all the meetings are super organized, and he has all the references and the material of any old conversations come up. It’s really nice to be in an organized setting. So, I just wanted to say a word of appreciation. Wylie said it’s very helpful when somebody takes care of that for you. Roth said he really does come through with answers when he has to. Forte said yeah.

Wylie said anybody else have questions or comments. Wylie recognized Smith.

Smith said just one point of clarification is that the way our ordinances are structured in the Planning Commission shows parenthetically that only the mayor – Wylie said oh, I have to nominate. Our council will approve all of these, but for Planning Commission the mayor nominates. Wylie said okay. So, I’ve got to nominate Derek Warner and Amanda Forte. Smith said okay. Then the rest of them, anybody can nominate. Wylie said okay.

The nominations passed by unanimous voice vote.

Wylie said okay. So, thank you everybody for continuing your service.

Item 10b – Resolution: Proposal for Office Computer Purchase (Video time mark 0:47:59):

    • Resolution – Purchase of Replacement Office Computers (page 30/39 of the council packet)
    • Quote from VC3 (page 31/39 of the council packet)

Wylie said okay, 10B resolution, proposal for office computer purchase also on our packet.

(Wylie read the resolution.)

Wylie said I will need somebody to resolve and a second.

Resolved Forte; second Rodgers.

Wylie said any discussion from council.

(To Smith), Quisenberry said the ‘23-‘24 budget allocated $3,000 for computer replacement. We haven’t used any of that yet. Smith said correct. So, I recognize that the $3,230, we’re going slightly over that budget. The overall department has it in it, but that line item would be over by $230.

Wylie asked anybody else on council.

(To Smith), Wylie said did you want to give any additional information. Smith said I’ve had, this laptop is giving me a lot of trouble. Wylie said yes it has been. Smith said just failing, just shutting down. About two times a week it just shuts down on me. So, it’s due. Greg [Coté, treasurer] has had, he’s got the same vintage laptop I do, he’s had less problems, so what we’re going to do is take his laptop and we’re going to turn it into an access point for Susan Weaver [Carlisle/Wortman, contract building department], our building team, she needs a way to connect when she’s in the office, she’s not disrupting one of the other workers sitting at their desk. By having this laptop, she can still, you know, connect and do all her building official stuff, so it’s a way of getting her the connection without having to buy yet another computer, a sixth computer. So, we think it’s a good solution is to re-employ Coté’s laptop for this building official connection that she needs. Wylie said yeah, I’ve been here when you’ve been having problems with that laptop.

Smith said yeah, and that’s why we only have a display on one screen tonight, not two. There’s something to do with this laptop, my personal laptop, I brought it from home, tried it, and it displays on both. For some reason, this one doesn’t. It’s like it doesn’t have enough oomph to push the signal to both. I don’t know what it is, but so, I think it’s time.

(To Smith), Quisenberry said one question you brought up there. If your, Coté’s is going to be repurposed what will, is there any sort of resale value or second use of yours and then the three others after that that would bring money into the city. Smith said I can ask VC3 [Information Technology contractor] what do they do, is there a resale market. I’ll check on that. We haven’t asked that question but that’s a fair question.

Wylie said okay, anybody else have discussion. Smith said if nothing else just to donate to a charity that, after they’ve been scrubbed, a charity they can benefit from.

Wylie said okay, we have a first by Forte, second by Rogers, and we need roll call. Smith said okay.

Sue Wylie, Gary Casey, Amanda Forte, Mark Lamphier, Ted Quisenberry, Laura Rodgers, and Peg Roth voted yes.

Wylie said okay, resolution is adopted.

Item 10c – Resolution: Proposal for Ad in the Chamber of Commerce Directory (Video time mark 0:52:30)

    • Resolution – Advertisement in the Chamber of Commerce Annual Directory (page 34/39 of the council packet)
    • Clarkston Area Chamber of Commerce Membership Directory and Community Guide (page 35/39 of the council packet)
    • Clarkston Area Chamber of Commerce Advertising Rates (page 36/39 of the council packet)

Wylie said moving on to 10C, resolution, proposal for an ad in the Chamber of Commerce directory, and this is in our packet, advertisement in the chamber of commerce annual directory resolution.

(Wylie read the resolution.)

Wylie said and there are some different price choices in here. So, normally what we do at this point is somebody makes a resolution and a second but because we got a kind of an either or and then I say let’s do discussion. I think we should do the discussion first and then come up with which direction somebody wants to go. Unless somebody wants to jump in right now and say yes or no.

Forte said have you done this before? Smith said it’s been several years since we’ve done the big directory. I do get calls for supporting, like the Clarkston Wolves, that they’re going to some championship. There are directories that are handed out. Those ads are almost always under $100, at least the ads that I get. I get the cheapest ad I can, and it’s usually between $50 and $100. Those I’ve done, but this one, the cheapest ad, is $600. So that’s why I thought, or if you want to go bigger, there are full-page ads for $2,500. But it’s just, this is a once-a-year event, or publication. It’s not a monthly or something. It’s just once a year, but it’s something that people hang on to and reference throughout the year.

Rodgers said what would be in our advertising. Smith said that would be up to you. We could just say, welcome to Clarkston, you know, whatever.

Rodgers said was there any information, like phone numbers, emails, anything like that? Smith said we could actually do anything like that, information about upcoming events, or there’s contacts, or we could work together to find out what kind of information we need to put out there. I’m not for or against this. I’m just putting it out there for council. I got a call, and I said, you know what? I think this should go to council rather than me trying to, yes, so.

Quisenberry said we have a line item in our budget for advertising, don’t we. Smith said for communication. Quisenberry said which could include advertising. Smith said yes, yes.

Forte said did we use any of these funds already? Smith said we have. It’s actually buried under miscellaneous expenses. And we have, right now, $455 remaining in this year’s budget.

Wylie said when does this come out? Smith said I think it’s coming out in the summer, August-ish.

Roth said normally the Chamber directory is used for businesses. It’s more of an advertising type of, yeah. You know, the Chamber, I mean, Independence Township, for instance, they have Parks and Rec[reation], but Parks and Rec does things all year long. So, the cheapest one is $600. And I think anybody trying to find the village would probably be able to find it with a click of their phone. I just, I mean, I don’t see what would be advertised for $600. I’m on the Chamber. (To Smith), Roth said you’re on the board, I think, now, aren’t you? Smith agreed. Roth said I mean, I’ve done every position on the Chamber. I just don’t see that, it’s for businesses to advertise products or events or things like that. And I think anybody looking for the town, looking for the village hall is kind of, probably the easy way.

Casey said I agree with Roth. I don’t see why we would need that. You know, we’re here (unintelligible). We’re not selling it. Roth said right. That’s my point, yeah.

Wylie said anybody else have comments or, would anybody like to make a, so, now at this point, somebody says they either do or do not authorize the purchase of the advertisement. Does anybody like to make that motion for this resolution?

Forte said she would. Wylie said which way are you going to go? Forte said do not. Wylie said do not. And I need a second. Second Lamphier.

Wylie said any discussion from council.

No discussion.

Wylie said any discussion from people sitting in the audience.

No discussion.

We need a vote.

Rodgers said wait a second. Before we vote. So, a yes vote is saying no, we don’t want to participate. Wylie said correct. A no vote is saying yes, we do want to participate. Wylie said that’s correct. Rodgers said so, a yes vote is no, we don’t want to participate. Wylie said good point.

Smith said Forte’s motion was to not support this. So yes, a yes vote is supporting her. Rogers said yeah, thank you. Okay.

Wylie said that’s a good point.

Smith said it’s good to be clear (unintelligible).

Ted Quisenberry, Gary Casey, Amanda Forte, Mark Lamphier, Peg Roth, Laura Rodgers, and Sue Wylie voted yes.

Wylie said and the resolution is adopted to not authorize the purchase of the advertisement for the ‘24-‘25 Chamber membership directory.

Item 10d – Motion: Proposal for Bioswale Signs (Video time mark 0:58:45)

    • Motion – Bioswale Signage (page 37/39 of the council packet)
    • Welcome to a Bioswale sign example (page 38/39 of the council packet)

Wylie said okay. Moving on, we’ve got a 10d motion, Proposal for Bioswale Signs.

(Wylie read the motion.)

Wylie said so, we would need a motion and a second to approve the placement of up to 10 bioswale signs measuring 9 inches by 12 inches adjacent to the bioswales in the city. And it’s, again, no cost to the city to either purchase or install the signs. (Holding up a sign and pointing to the screen), Wylie said and this is what the sign up there is. This is what the signs look like. And somebody from, was he from the Clinton River Watershed Council? Smith said yes. Wylie said he designed them or, again, somebody on the staff designed it. And this was a joint group effort with Clarkston High School’s Environmental Club and the bioswale, and I’m sorry, the Biophilic Committee, Pure Water, or Pure Oakland Water, Clinton River Watershed Council.

Smith said and it’s some kind of metallic sign. It’s, I think it’s on aluminum. It’s a fairly small sign. It’s just trying to give us some recognition. They didn’t want some big sign in the rain area. It’s very small.

Quisenberry said it’s slightly bigger, just slightly bigger than just a regular sheet of paper.

Forte said I’ll make a motion for it. Wylie said okay, Forte makes the motion. Is there a second? Second Roth.

Wylie said any discussion.

Rodgers said where are these bioswales? Wylie said there’s one across, mine’s not included in this. Mine’s not one of the original. It was one of the five. Mine was done beforehand. So, I don’t think they’re including my house. Smith said I thought it was. Wylie said I think they did five. The Biophilic Committee and the Clarkston Environmental Club did five, but mine was done beforehand. So, I don’t know if it’s included in the count. Maybe they can up it by one. But there’s one across the street from me. There’s one, Tom Lowry. Okay, Tom Lowry has one. I think there’s another one in the Middle Lake Overlook area. There’s one in Clarkston High School. (Smith made an unintelligible comment.) Smith said and then there’s one outside the city. Wylie said besides the Clarkston High School one. Smith said well, that’s the one. Wylie said that’s the one, okay. Because the Clarkston Environmental Club was part of it.

Smith said but they wanted to do five more. They’re looking. They say there are at least that many, you know, storm drains that won’t be protected with the bioswales. So, they’re going to buy ten signs.

Wylie said Jim Brueck said there’s a lot of people who have expressed interest in having them done. I think they’re just looking for funds to buy the plans or whatever. Mine was put in a year before everybody else’s. And right now, it looks wonderful. It looks good, I think. (Gesturing), Forte said (unintelligible) right here. Wylie said what’s that. (Gesturing), Forte said this one looks great. Wylie said this one looks good.

Smith said the rain garden, you know, the bioswales, when I had my EGLE [Michigan Environment, Great Lakes, and Energy] audit. Wylie said oh, that’s right. You had that last week. Smith said they went into great detail. And to my surprise, they didn’t know what a bioswale was. Wylie said what? Smith said they asked me, what is a bioswale? And I said, well, it’s this planting that surrounds it. Forte said what group were you working with within EGLE. Smith said EGLE. Forte said no but like within EGLE. Smith said who? The audit group. The auditors. But they didn’t know it. So, we took them out and took them to Wylie’s house, the one across the street, Lowry’s house. And they said, this is wonderful. And I said (unintelligible comment due to laughter). Wylie said that’s embarrassing. Smith said kind of surprised me, but yeah. I said, our Biophilic Committee designed a bioswale. So, they said, what? So, it was interesting. But we got some points out of it. Wylie said that’s good. Forte said great.

Wylie said okay, so is there any other discussion on the bioswale signs.

Wylie recognized Pardee for a question.

Pardee said is one of the bioswales here in Depot Park. Wylie said I don’t know if that counts. Is the bioswale supposed to be around water drainage? Pardee said I just recall some discussion we had two or three months ago about a number of signs in Depot Park. Smith said right. Pardee said and this wouldn’t apply. Smith said no, they’re not changing that. The rain garden is technically a bioswale on steroids. It’s a much bigger, greater volume capacity. But, yeah, that’s not one. Pardee said thank you.

Wylie said any other discussion.

No discussion.

The proposal to add bioswale signs passed by unanimous voice vote.

Wylie said and the motion is adopted.

Item 10e – Resolution: City Clerk Appointment (Video time mark 1:04:18):

    • Resolution – City Clerk Appointment (page 39/39 of the council packet)

Wylie said and we have one more piece of new business. Item #10e is a resolution, City Clerk Appointment.

(Wylie read the resolution.)

Wylie said and this is a resolution, so we need somebody to make the initial, to resolve.

Motion by Roth; second Casey.

Wylie said and is there any discussion from council.

(To Smith), Quisenberry said how many people were actually interviewed. Smith said two. Quisenberry said two. Smith said and one, the first one ended up being on the phone because she couldn’t make it. So, it was a phone interview, but that one didn’t pan out.

Smith said one thing I want to be forthright about with you is the, what I’ve commented in here is what I offered to Catherine Ashley. I just felt Ashley was such a good fit for the position. I did not want the chance of losing her. So, the policy and procedure manual suggests a six-month probation. And that would, there would be no raises until the end of that probationary period. I think in the tightness of the labor market, and the fact that Ashley would be absolutely perfect for this job, I made an exception, and I said 60 days, or two months, not six months, but two months’ probation period. That gets her up to her full salary quicker. We’ll still do an evaluation at 30 days and 60 days to make sure everything is going well. But I just felt the need to go outside the guidelines of the policy and procedure manual and make this a shorter probation period so that we can just make this job that much more attractive for her. So that is the point I want to make, that that exception was made in this case.

Wylie said if anything, we had this constant turnover of city clerks. It’s such an important position.

Wylie said did anybody else on council have a comment or question?

Quisenberry said yes. (To Smith), Quisenberry said were you able to do much, as if it’s needed at all in the background of this situation? Smith said well, beyond a resume, I’ve talked to the Sheriff’s office, but did I go back to previous jobs? No. Quisenberry said okay, just for your information, based upon her previous work experience, there are several people I know from the Sheriff’s department. I talked with them. She also cited some experience with an entity called City Shield. It’s a private investigative company who the owner of that I’ve known for years and years through the Homeland Security connection. And I called and talked with him. And the people I talked with at the Sheriff’s department, they all had good things to say, all of them. Smith said that’s been my experience. Everything I’ve researched, everything I’ve heard, she is just really highly looked on, very respected. Certainly, in the Sheriff’s office. So those, if you didn’t have a chance to read her resume, she is currently an Oakland County Sheriff. It’s her plan to retain that position on Fridays. So, we’re open Monday through Thursday. She’s still going to work Fridays at the Oakland County Sheriff’s Office. I assume that there are benefits that come along with that position that she wants to retain. So, she will continue that position. And I don’t think it hurts us to have a little closer connection to the Sheriff. So, I think it’s all good. I’m very excited about finding her. She’s very excited about the job. So, it’s a win-win all the way around.

Wylie said anybody else. Anybody else out there have questions or comments?

Wylie recognized Pardee for a comment.

Pardee said I’ve not seen any bio. Is she coming from an administrative role in the Sheriff’s department? Smith said she is an Oakland County Sheriff. She does investigations. She processes people. She’s more in the office, not out on the road kind of job. But she has de-escalation training. She’s a full-blown Sheriff. She wears her browns, as she calls them, every day. I said, you don’t have to wear your browns in the office. So, she’s a very, very capable person. She’s not shy. She’s not going to be pushed around. I think she’s a good fit for the job.

Roth said didn’t I see she has FOIA experience as well. Smith said yes. Not so much at the Oakland County Sheriff’s Office. She was at the (unintelligible). She did FOIA responses. So, she’s very involved. Quisenberry said she also worked at schools with students. Smith said she still does the Special Olympics. She’s kind of one of the go-heads of the Special Olympics program. So, she’s very involved in that. And she’s Sergeant Ashley’s wife. Wylie said which is a great recommendation, I think.

Wylie said any other discussion. And this is a resolution, so we need a roll call. Roth first and Casey second.

Mark Lamphier, Peg Roth, Laura Rodgers, Amanda Forte, Gary Casey, Sue Wylie, and Ted Quisenberry voted yes.

Wylie said okay, the resolution is adopted.

Agenda Item #12, Adjourn (Video time mark 1:11:33):

Wylie said and we have one last item on our agenda. Number 11, to adjourn. I need a motion.

Motion by Roth; second Forte.

Wylie asked if there was any discussion.

No discussion.

Motion to adjourn passed by unanimous voice vote.

Wylie said and we are adjourned at 8:11. Thank you everybody.

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